Swing House/Electro Swing

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Khoo · #1 Post by **Khoo** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:31 am

Nowthen guys, just wondering what the swing purists make of the whole swing house/electro swing movement at the moment?

http://www.mixcloud.com/khoo/dont-lose-your-ragtime/

http://www.mixcloud.com/khoo/coming-out-swingin/

Mr Awesomer · #2 Post by **Mr Awesomer** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:48 am

It's cute for the club scene, but you can't Lindy Hop to it.

straycat · #3 Post by **straycat** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:04 am

From my perspective, the electro-swing folks generally have it the wrong way around - they take some swing samples / melodies, and stick them to a club beat. (I know it's probably a little more complex than that, but it's what it amounts to.) And, as Mr Awesomer says - it's useless for Lindy.

I want to know what you could get were you to turn that on its head - recreate those original rhythms with a modern club sound. In a nutshell, take modern / club music, and make it swing. Properly - (don't even mention Swingify or The Swinger. While I have absolutely no idea what that would sound like, assuming it can be done, I'd be intrigued to find out.

Killa Dilla · #4 Post by **Killa Dilla** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:04 pm

...as 'electronic music' is the other love of my life, i think it needs to be said that Electro Swing - as limited to only what I've heard - is just quite bad electro house (dull 4x4 basslines) using vintage samples.

(sorry, to those that produce it, if you're on the forum...)

i imagine it being played in a club where the punters aren't really after new directions in bass music, just more the dj playing a novelty set.

i've heard, only recently, dj's loop the break in swing music - ie Hip Hop basics 101 - but then let the song roll after that. Not exactly 'electro swing' but it was interesting to hear songs I was familiar with altered slightly. Having said that, the night i was at wasn't a strictly Lindy event, so the scope was there to experiment abit.

penguin · #5 Post by **penguin** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:39 am

There does appear to be quite a bit of variation in electro-swing that I don't think it's terribly useful lumping it all together.

There's the standard remix approach (ie. swing samples + club beats) like:

G-swing: http://www.myspace.com/gswingrecords

DJ Disse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruX0Q0YxXZk

Z.I.P: http://www.amazon.com/One-OClock-Jump-W ... B003F8G9IQ

Then there's the band approach (musicians playing swing influenced music+ someone working the electronics) like:

Caravan Palace (with strong manouche influences) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE7XkaFFtGE

Caro Emerald: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75vjDHbH ... ure=relmfu

Club de Belugas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQXG31llcWE

A lot of electroswing compilations seem to include a lot of unadulterated classic swing, electronic music crossed with other forms of jazz (particularly latin jazz) and various modern 'swinging' combos a la neo-swing.

I like some of it - particularly if it's a band that's composed original tunes. And you can dance to some electroswing - whether you'd call that dancing lindy hop is another question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1H9tgboFJM

Killa Dilla · #6 Post by **Killa Dilla** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:54 pm

...thanx, for the links Penguin.

And you're right when you say that ES is more than a single faced beast.

Guess my grief with it lay with the answer to:

* does ES contribute to a betterment of either of its 'musical cues' (Trad Swing Jazz + Electronic)? Failing that, has it created s'thing that stands on its own merit (hip hop = funk samples + the create of a new musical direction)?

For me, at this precise moment, the answer is sadly...nup.

Not yet anyways. But then there might be some 17yo in a bedroom s'where on the globe who is experimenting (and ripping) at making ES that makes me feel good when i hear it. The difficult thing i would imagine is wanting to maintaining the recognition of the sample as, 'a vintage sample', whilst achieving the electronic aspect.

Maybe, one of these opposing elements needs to be messed around with a little more so s'thing weird / new / interesting can come of it.

Link time, go!

Australian:

Big Bad Rag - Unkle Ho - www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjkjO0AvIDc

World / Vintage Music Samples:

Filastine - www.youtu.be/5UnM1T3ajWw

Transcendent:

Kode 9 & The Spaceape - www.youtu.be/WaU-pnassYM

Resent Shift:

Mount Kimbie - http://youtu.be/9dV-V48CBAY

Killa Dilla · #7 Post by **Killa Dilla** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:07 am

um, broken linx.

Try:

Transcendent:

Kode 9 & The Spaceape - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaU-pnassYM

(required sub bass or half is too low in Hz)

Resent Shift:

Mount Kimbie - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dV-V48CBAY

Dr.Biped · #8 Post by **Dr.Biped** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:30 pm

Killa Dilla · #9 Post by **Killa Dilla** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:16 pm

Dr. Biped, will check all these out once back at home.

...perhaps, an ad hoc listing of electronic sounds malleable to Lindy

requirements could be an interesting thing to create..?

Has anyone dug the creates of other non-Swing genres that could be

similarly useful - ie Northern Soul, Soulful Drum n Bass?

remysun · #10 Post by **remysun** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:12 am

Nothing new under the sun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmi0BIpuRnE

Synecdoche · #11 Post by **Synecdoche** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:29 am

Eww, remysun. Give me back those 2 minutes of my life.

On a happier note, I've had some success towards the end of the night playing the below. (Some of these) I'm not knowledgeable to know if they are considered "real" electro-swing or merely electro-influenced. But (IMO) they are all dance-able.

Caro Emerald, That Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Xtl22x5Sg

Tape Five, Cool Cat In Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FmtEkY5OlQ

Swing Republic, Scrub Me Mama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62cFfT2bghI

Tim Tim, Rum N Coca Cola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJf65G_b ... plpp_video

And if you really want to stretch your boundaries, try Bachata/50s pop:
Leslie Grace, Will U Still Love Me Tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USrflLJfZBE

PancakeMandrake · #12 Post by **PancakeMandrake** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:28 pm

I'd like to offer some labels to bring some clarity to the discussion. Within the world of electro / swing conglomerations, I consider:

Boomswing - Jazz bands that use extensive electronic samples / post production, or live DJ's as part of the band. Many of these songs are still based in jazz structures and on jazz rhythms, leaving them in the realm of danceable (although many of the boomswing bands I've heard draw from gypsy jazz which is not necessarily the easiest genre to lindy to). Caravan Palace is the quintessential example of this in my mind.

Electroswing - Electronic dance music that happens to use swing samples. I consider swing-house (house music with swing samples) to be a subset of electroswing, as I imagine that there could be such as thing as DnB-swing, Jungle-swing, breakbeat-swing, etc. We've already heard a lot of (cringe) dubstep showing up in electroswing.

When the electroswing is based on a non-swing-danceable beat structure (i.e. the flat four / syncopated high hat of club or house music) then of course it won't be swing danceable, since the beat structure determines the rhythm (and what is danced to that rhythm). That music is to be appreciated for what it is, but is in no way swing music.

However, the beauty of EDM is that there are no limits to what you can do. There are certainly some electroswing artists that are pushing the creative boundaries, and developing danceable-ish music. There is nothing inherently stopping a producer from building an EDM song on swung eighths instead of a flat four, for example. While I love listening to electroswing, today my electroswing music and swing dancing music are entirely separate collections. I am optimistic that one day legitimate swing dance music will be created by producers in the lab, but right now that is by far the exception than the rule.

Mr Awesomer · #13 Post by **Mr Awesomer** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:45 pm

I can put it all under one label, but this is a family forum.

dogpossum · #14 Post by **dogpossum** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:26 pm

Mr Awesomer wrote:I can put it all under one label, but this is a family forum.

trololololol

SiMonster · #15 Post by **SiMonster** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:21 am

There actually are a few songs I use for DJing - but only if the crowd is ready for it. I really like this version of 'Fiddle Dee Dee':

https://restlesslegsyndrome.bandcamp.co ... le-dee-dee

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