Lawrence wrote: SirScratchAlot wrote:
that's good to hear, especially since it seems that some want to drive
away some of those who already consider themselves lindy hoppers.
yes, I don't beleive in seprating the "twits" from the scene...they pay at the door like everyone else...
I completely agree, even though you seem to be ripping on my point of distinguishing "us" from Neo Swing Geeks/twits.
well, because we belong to the same scene. and those "twits" are the ones haveing a Ball dancing to whatever comes out of those speakers regardless of what it is. sure your musical taste are more evolved to put it nicely, and you dress normal compared to the guy that goes to a socail dance wearing a Purple zoot, but hey, make friends with the guy instead of dissing him...this discription of "swing twit" means most likely he hasn;t been dancing every long, and hopefully he will be of the ones (like others on this board) that comes around to keep on dancing and not just be one of trend jumpers that disappears cause everyone around him that was good had an ego or whatever...
But, as for marketing, I would much rather target-market non-twits who attract rather than repel women than have a bunch of those extreme-dorks who creep the hell out of all the women I want to come to my dances, leaving us with just the dumb, standardless, oblivious women. (Softball, guys, go ahead and hit it...)
I sat Target everybody, I find it difficult to do a casting call to target a specific person to get into the scene. it reads like "Only cool people allowed" , but damn Look at this scene, it's the most square possible scene out there. White kids from the Burbs...but ya know , they are living it, and keeping it going, hopefully it will someday come back around and be done on a more cultural level. thats wher it is now, back underground, it doesn;t attract the 50 year old doctor from Manhattan beach...oh wait it still does...but only because he can dance to the music he grew up on....again, squares ville, but hey they might discover something I want to preserve and inturn help in some way I couldn;t. god only knows I need money to restore old film prints and archive music/film/photography digitally. So that someday I may be able to share it with everyone.
Then again I could be reading you wrong, what do mean by Targeting? what is it you do to Target or spread the word and what word is it you spread? I guess this could be a whole different topic..sorry.
What your perception of who is doing the alienating ("Groover" or "Originalers") also seems to completely depend on what camp you fall in, not any objective assessment, as it always has.
sure sure, I understand totally. But ya see, I enjoy both camps.
and when I make an observation it pertains to what I've witnessed and heard, not whats going on in DC, or texas or NY.
On a Professional Level I feel I have to defend the historical aspects , this where I'm knowledgible and because like you state the ones that are defending the historical aspects just call names or say stupid stuff. when I see it be either defended inncorrectly by immature people or attacked by immature people I get involved....not only to correct those slingin info around against Groovers used but also sometimes to make their argument historically correct.
It sometimes sounds as if "Original Hollywooders" refuse to try to understand why I have mine and perhaps allow me to share my inspiration,
The Hollywood Jitterbugs is a club of dancers that enjoy dancing with 70+ year olds that danced during the 30's and 40's and could care less about what you like as long as your dancing. It all about dancing for these folks regardless of what ya do, even west coast swing, Lindy, whatever ya got, it's a dance club. But then again, you could be miss using the term. The originals are pretty damn old now.
The "Hollywood stylers" or the "Camp Hollywooders" Ala Marcus and co. where all about the Bill Haley and the Andrew sisters stuff like that..
Then there is the "Hollywood Hornets", a dance team, a once arthur Murray based team , I don;t know there opinions but they dance different styles and forms of music.
"Original Hollywooders" if talking about the swing revival would have to be Eric and Sylvia. They made that term up and invented their own basic and style. see Hollywood stylers for music tastes...they had more followers in DC then here...
There is alot of Hollywood, it's a big place. When I think of Original Hollywooders I think of B-Bop, or Jack McVey, Slim Galliard, Don Byas or Cee Pee Johnson. Certainly Not early Duke, Webb or Charlie Johnson. and as for the dancers, it would be 40's 50's 60's etc...so I think it incompasses your taste as well. next time you feel a "Hollywooder" dissing your taste put em check historically and explain what your playin perhaps IS more hollywood then their taste....
as opposed to just browbeating me into joining them because they say so and they're so "originally" cool. As you and I have always said, Peter, vive la difference! Nobody is going to be able to browbeat the other side out of their preferences.
I couldn't agree more, and beleive me I see it both sides trying to push their coolness. And every city is different.. so comments sometimes get crossed up.
Now that this scene is so mature retaining and preserving the "common" Lindy Hop at Lindy Hop events is even more important then ever. There have been dancers that have come along since this revival who don;t even know who Frankie Manning is and have never heard of Chick Webb yet they tell me "I'm doing the Lindy Hop" which they obviously are not, not because they don't want to , but because they've never seen it. We have all taken this stuff stuff for granted, and I just want to cheer for what the ol folks brought us. I'd like to see more 50's jazz dancing stuff, The B-bop dancing done at the Savoy Ballroom was so damn cool, and I just Love that Music, yea, I know it's not Lindy Hop but why can't we enjoy it all?
Sure , we can develope it into more things, new things and possibly better things but I don't see why it can't be done under the same tent...
again, this is what I see out here. none of this might even pertain to any of you fella's reading the board.