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Post WW2 Charlie Barnet - Not so hot

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:11 pm
by Eyeball
Not sure why.

A lot of his stuff just got louder. I am not even that keen on the wartime Deccas.

The 1957 live Town Hall Concert is good. I recommend that one.
http://www.amazon.com/Town-Hall-Concert ... s_ep_dpi_6

There was one from the 50s on Capitol - skip it...something about the Sahara. * I dont see this one listed on Amazon. I think it was a small group recording done live in Vegas.

The one on Everest label - skip it.
http://www.amazon.com/Everest-Years-Cha ... s_ep_dpi_2
Samples - Maybe I will listen again - been years.

That one from 1967 - his last - skip it.
http://www.amazon.com/Band-1967-More-Ch ... s_ep_dpi_4

OTOH - Some Jazz fan sent my a copy of a 50s VERVE 10 inch LP that was excellent, only one dud tune - a ballad - and the rest were wailing and not too '50s' and he had a livelier version of POMPTON TURNPIKE than the original Bluebird. Is this one on CD? He did not tell me the title. The dud tuine was DEEP PURPLE (Great song, dud rendition.)

Anyone know more or have a different opinion?

Are these any good -

http://www.amazon.com/Lonely-Street-Mor ... s_ep_dpi_9

*no date given - maybe some 50s Capitol sides

http://www.amazon.com/Redskin-Romp-Char ... hisProduct

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:49 pm
by trev
I agree completely. I'm a big fan of a lot of his late 30s stuff, but for some reason it got lame (ironic for someone that openly made fun of "sweet" music). That Everest album was so disappointing I haven't looked at any of his other 50s stuff.

I keep saying that a good remaster/reissue of his 30s/early 40s material is long overdue.

Re: Post WW2 Charlie Barnet - Not so hot

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:28 pm
by Haydn
Eyeball wrote:Not sure why.
Er ... did you know the 'Swing Era' ended not long after WW2? This might be a factor, cause or reason for said trend.

Re: Post WW2 Charlie Barnet - Not so hot

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:47 pm
by Eyeball
Haydn wrote:
Eyeball wrote:Not sure why.
Er ... did you know the 'Swing Era' ended not long after WW2? This might be a factor, cause or reason for said trend.
You could be right there, buddy-boy. It sure wrecked the Ellington band. :roll: :lol:

But you have a point. But Barnet seemed to take a different kind of fall.

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:55 pm
by Eyeball
trev wrote:I agree completely. I'm a big fan of a lot of his late 30s stuff, but for some reason it got lame (ironic for someone that openly made fun of "sweet" music). That Everest album was so disappointing I haven't looked at any of his other 50s stuff.

I keep saying that a good remaster/reissue of his 30s/early 40s material is long overdue.
Well - that LP the guy copied for me was the best post-war Barnet I have ever heard, though not sure where I am placing the Town Hall Concert.

Hmmmm - this explains a lot - they are from 1947 on Mercury, not Verve or Norgran.

http://www.jazzdisco.org/verve-records/ ... 1947-1948/

I dont know why this stuff is not out.

And because you agreed with me and Haydn was just a chop buster, here is a cool website. (Don't tell Haydn.) Doh!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedail ... wives.html

Re: Post WW2 Charlie Barnet - Not so hot

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:41 pm
by trev
Eyeball wrote:But Barnet seemed to take a different kind of fall.
Yes, it was more of a creative fall or something.

Maybe he was distracted by those 10+ marriages. I guess when you're a rich dude anyway you have to occupy your time somehow (hmm, i might start a big band... hmm, i think I need a new wife...) ;)

Re: Post WW2 Charlie Barnet - Not so hot

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:07 am
by anton
Eyeball wrote:The one on Everest label - skip it.
http://www.amazon.com/Everest-Years-Cha ... s_ep_dpi_2
It has the best hifi version of Cherokee that I have heard so far (after my edit that is :wink: ). The rest is quite boring though. SLOW versions...

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:54 am
by Eyeball
http://www.amazon.com/Everest-Years-Cha ... Descending

These 5 guys (named Moe - haha) all love the CD.

OK - my retraction - I just sampled all of the tracks and they are nowhere near as bad as I remember them.

I need to hear them again. Much better than I recall...and the sound is very good. The sound on the old issues sucked.

Re: Post WW2 Charlie Barnet - Not so hot

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:43 pm
by Haydn
anton wrote:
Eyeball wrote:The one on Everest label - skip it.
http://www.amazon.com/Everest-Years-Cha ... s_ep_dpi_2
It has the best hifi version of Cherokee that I have heard so far (after my edit that is :wink: ). The rest is quite boring though. SLOW versions...
Yes, nice sound but where's the energy, compared with earlier recordings like this ...

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... fyxqrjldje