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#16 Post by Eyeball » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:32 pm

CountBasi wrote:I really like Teddy Wilson (You're My Desire, ) .
One of my faves. James on trumpet is just superb.
Will big bands ever come back?

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#17 Post by CafeSavoy » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:01 pm

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Haydn wrote: When I looked up Fletcher Henderson, most of what is written talks about his arranging and his bands; his piano playing is hardly mentioned. But I guess it is interesting to know which instruments people played as well, and I suppose it can help you discover more about their history and their music.
Just a quick answer for now as the outdoors beckons -

The above is because FH was not a sterling pianist. I can't think of any stand out FH solos, but his solo at the beginning of BG's "Stealin' Apples" is memorable in its dullness.

He was a "pen and ink" man, as the term went.
In Basie's biography, he says only good things about Fletcher and his knowledge of the piano. Although it is true that he was a reluctant pianist. He only got into the music business because there were many barriers in front of a black chemistry student in the 20s. His brother Horace was also a good pianist.

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#18 Post by Eyeball » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:08 pm

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Eyeball wrote:
Haydn wrote: When I looked up Fletcher Henderson, most of what is written talks about his arranging and his bands; his piano playing is hardly mentioned. But I guess it is interesting to know which instruments people played as well, and I suppose it can help you discover more about their history and their music.
Just a quick answer for now as the outdoors beckons -

The above is because FH was not a sterling pianist. I can't think of any stand out FH solos, but his solo at the beginning of BG's "Stealin' Apples" is memorable in its dullness.

He was a "pen and ink" man, as the term went.
In Basie's biography, he says only good things about Fletcher and his knowledge of the piano. Although it is true that he was a reluctant pianist. He only got into the music business because there were many barriers in front of a black chemistry student in the 20s. His brother Horace was also a good pianist.
Have you Henderson play?

And as if Basie would discuss his personal opinion for public consumption, in the negative, of another pianist.

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#19 Post by CafeSavoy » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:00 am

Eyeball wrote: Have you Henderson play?
No, he died before I was born.

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#20 Post by Eyeball » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:08 am

CafeSavoy wrote:
Eyeball wrote: Have you Henderson play?
No, he died before I was born.
Well - your belated DOB also prevents you from hearing almost all the classic Jazz performers and recordings we talk about here. Pity.

Try this instead :

http://www.spicegirlsforever.com

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#21 Post by AlekseyKosygin » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:38 pm

Just an FYI, Rollini, although he could play piano was much better known for his bass saxophone playing and it was his playing on that instrument that really made him famous. Rollini along with Otto Hardwick really put the instrument on the map when it comes to Jazz music...

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#22 Post by anton » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:34 am

AlekseyKosygin wrote:Just an FYI, Rollini, although he could play piano was much better known for his bass saxophone playing and it was his playing on that instrument that really made him famous. Rollini along with Otto Hardwick really put the instrument on the map when it comes to Jazz music...
Check out the these Adrian Rollini cds in the amazing series from Retrieval:

1934-1938
1937-1938

Also available on e-music (as are many of the excellent Retrieval discs).

Fave track: Tap Room Swing with Rollini on bass sax and Jack Russin on piano.

A problem with these two is that the track start times are slightly off so that the start of the next track will appear at the end of the previous track when ripped from CD. It can be fixed, but it takes some effort.

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#23 Post by Eyeball » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:03 am

Those are nice, swinging sides with great sound quality.

Are they from transcriptions?

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#24 Post by anton » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:44 am

Eyeball wrote:Those are nice, swinging sides with great sound quality.

Are they from transcriptions?
They are all studio takes.

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#25 Post by Eyeball » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:04 am

But were they done for transcription discs intended for sale to radio stations or for commercially released records for the public?

"Studio takes" would only qualify them as non 'live' recordings.

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#26 Post by anton » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:12 am

Eyeball wrote:But were they done for transcription discs intended for sale to radio stations or for commercially released records for the public?

"Studio takes" would only qualify them as non 'live' recordings.
Ooops, wrong terminology. They are all commercial recordings, done for Vocalion, Decca, Victor, ...

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#27 Post by Eyeball » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:45 am

Interesting.

I looked up Vocalion first, then Decca, then Victor, then Brunswick, etc.

Ummmmmm....were these "Tap Room Gang" sides?

(*Still too early to think and I think we just had a small earthquake here.)

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#28 Post by anton » Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:16 am

Eyeball wrote:Interesting.

I looked up Vocalion first, then Decca, then Victor, then Brunswick, etc.

Ummmmmm....were these "Tap Room Gang" sides?

(*Still too early to think and I think we just had a small earthquake here.)
They are with various units:

http://www.redhotjazz.com/rollini.html

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#29 Post by Haydn » Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:30 am

There's a great short 8-bar solo in the 1941 recording "Oh I'm Evil" by Una Mae Carlisle, apparently played by Billy Kyle (starts at about 1m 23s).

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#30 Post by CafeSavoy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:34 pm

Eyeball wrote:
CafeSavoy wrote:
Eyeball wrote: Have you Henderson play?
No, he died before I was born.
Well - your belated DOB also prevents you from hearing almost all the classic Jazz performers and recordings we talk about here. Pity.

Try this instead :

http://www.spicegirlsforever.com
Is that another glen miller site?

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