Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 11:48 am
Perhaps, but like or not, "groove" has become the designated Lindyhopper term for the larger group of more modern, slower, jazz and blues, not just a subgenre of soul-jazz.
if you don't like charleston - you get da gas-face!D Nice wrote:Out there? That 2/4 Swing/HotJazz music is woefully underplayed everywhere.mousethief wrote:right now, i'm working on charleston (20s, 30s) flavored pieces, which is woefully underplayed out here.
what, is there some chemical imbalance that prevents it? i would say you could carefully pick a gene harris-chick webb night and dj just about anywhere with a solid core of dancers on the floor. hell, some of my harris pieces are bigger burners than a few of my fave webbs.Lawrence wrote:I definitely didn't mean that Chick Webb is undanceable , just that it is difficult for the same person to like to dance to both Chick Webb and Gene Harris. That difference is at the heart of the debate between groovers and "classicers."mousethief wrote:danceability? chick webb and gene harris - what?Lawrence wrote: I like them both, but, to be honest, yes it is that hard, especially when it comes to danceability. It takes a bit broader appreciation of the wide variety of movement that the wide variety of music can inspire.
ol' man chick played year after year for dancers in the one venue everyone in the scene supposedly venerates.
I was going to reply with something similar, but Ron beat me to it.Ron wrote:Perhaps, but like or not, "groove" has become the designated Lindyhopper term for the larger group of more modern, slower, jazz and blues, not just a subgenre of soul-jazz.
lindy hoppers get da gas-face!Ron wrote:Perhaps, but like or not, "groove" has become the designated Lindyhopper term for the larger group of more modern, slower, jazz and blues, not just a subgenre of soul-jazz.
I'll just assume you're joking, because that's a pretty silly statement.mousethief wrote:there's no meaning behind it other than to exclude people that don't match up.
kalman
The problem arises when it is only a small subset of people using a term that means other things to people not so distantly removed from them. Especially when there are already perfectly good words with perfectly good definitions that cover this stuff.Nate Dogg wrote:In my opinion, it is good to know what the words "groove" "lindy hop" "swing" "jazz" have meant over the years. But, I think it is losing battle to get upset and frustrated when a term gets bastardized. Words get changed/bastardized over time, that is the way things work.Ron wrote:Perhaps, but like or not, "groove" has become the designated Lindyhopper term for the larger group of more modern, slower, jazz and blues, not just a subgenre of soul-jazz.
Okay, prove it.yedancer wrote:I'll just assume you're joking, because that's a pretty silly statement.mousethief wrote:there's no meaning behind it other than to exclude people that don't match up.
kalman
Despite how dumb it may be to use the word "groove," or however much some people might not like it, it's the word that currently defines a major part of the swing dance scene, both music and dance wise.
D Nice wrote:The problem arises when it is only a small subset of people using a term that means other things to people not so distantly removed from them. Especially when there are already perfectly good words with perfectly good definitions that cover this stuff.Nate Dogg wrote:In my opinion, it is good to know what the words "groove" "lindy hop" "swing" "jazz" have meant over the years. But, I think it is losing battle to get upset and frustrated when a term gets bastardized. Words get changed/bastardized over time, that is the way things work.Ron wrote:Perhaps, but like or not, "groove" has become the designated Lindyhopper term for the larger group of more modern, slower, jazz and blues, not just a subgenre of soul-jazz.
Communication only works when we can agree on a base lexicon. When a group of people use a term by an accepted and understood definition, and then other less informed people start using the term incorrectly we end up with a divide that prevents meaningful communication. This is not a case where we are discussing something we refuse to publicly acknowledge something like homosexuality and refer to it by a slightly condescending euphamism. This is music, which has already been defined, catagorized, and stood the test of time. Changing the terms out of ignorance is just being lazy.
Neither 'classic' nor 'groove' is mutually exclusive. I even think I saw you write this very sentence on Yesnooty a while back, so why you're bringing it up here is beyond me.Ron wrote:Perhaps, but like or not, "groove" has become the designated Lindyhopper term for the larger group of more modern, slower, jazz and blues, not just a subgenre of soul-jazz.
Like the Fred Astaire movie, "The Gay Divorcee?" I'm still amazed that they made a movie in the 40s about Astaire getting divorced because he was a homosexual dancer (who, I might add, only danced to "Original" Swing music)!! And we say attitudes and social graces were stiphled in the 40s....Nate Dogg wrote:Words and terminology change over time, new slang is created, old definitions die and become less relevant. For example, in the 1940s, what did the word "gay" mean? It meant "happy" or something to that effect. Who uses the word in that manner these days? Nobody does. The old definition is still true, it is still in the dictionary, it is just not relevant, you only hear it in old songs and old movies.
I think everybody knows what I meant. For a second, I thought about doing some research on the origin of the word "gay." I could tell you exactly when it transitioned. Maybe, I did not go far enough back. Who knows.Lawrence wrote:Like the Fred Astaire movie, "The Gay Divorcee?" I'm still amazed that they made a movie in the 40s about Astaire getting divorced because he was a homosexual dancer (who, I might add, only danced to "Original" Swing music)!! And we say attitudes and social graces were stiphled in the 40s....Nate Dogg wrote:Words and terminology change over time, new slang is created, old definitions die and become less relevant. For example, in the 1940s, what did the word "gay" mean? It meant "happy" or something to that effect. Who uses the word in that manner these days? Nobody does. The old definition is still true, it is still in the dictionary, it is just not relevant, you only hear it in old songs and old movies.