SwingDJs

I'd hate to be accused to "thread drift" so I'll start a new one on this...

Did you ever notice that the following swing era songs have edits in them (at least in my CD versions - I have no idea what the original discs were like)?

Gene Krupa - Kick It (1941). At 0:57 it cuts off to a different take (with slightly worse sound quality).

Ella Fitzgerald - Goody Goody (1952). This one has a couple of really ugly edits in it: at 0:22, 0:29, 0:57 and 1:56 (it sounds like they have substituted "he" for "she" or something like that). And another one at 1:35?

More examples? Any info on when these edits came about?

(And please, no debate on "edit" vs "no edit" in this thread...)

They were not using tape back then so any edits would have been basically impossible.

That said - there are no original Swing era songs with 'original edits' in them - only producers and engineers making edits long after the fact.

So, does anyone have an unedited version of Goody Goody? Mine is from 75th Birthday Celebration...

(Or could this have been an original tape edit because it is quite late (1952)?)

anton wrote:So, does anyone have an unedited version of Goody Goody? Mine is from 75th Birthday Celebration...

(Or could this have been an original tape edit because it is quite late (1952)?)

I guess it's the original tape edit. "Legendary Decca Recordings" (and about 5 or 6 other CDs I have previewed) have the exact same version..

http://home.intekom.com/restore/History_Recording.html
"In 1949 high fidelity magnetic tape recording became the industry standard almost overnight."

No telling at what point that spliced version was constructed.

Perhaps it was issued on 78 or 45 or LP in a different "edit"ition?

Only Ella experts will know for sure.

anton wrote:So, does anyone have an unedited version of Goody Goody? Mine is from 75th Birthday Celebration...

(Or could this have been an original tape edit because it is quite late (1952)?)

?? never noticed these edits, and this is a song I play a lot and get good response from. Maybe you have a bad CD?

djstarr wrote:

anton wrote:So, does anyone have an unedited version of Goody Goody? Mine is from 75th Birthday Celebration...

(Or could this have been an original tape edit because it is quite late (1952)?)

?? never noticed these edits, and this is a song I play a lot and get good response from. Maybe you have a bad CD?

We apparently don't listen closely enough to some cuts we play often. I hear the exact same "glitches" when relistening to the version I have and play often, found on The Last Decca Years. I doubt they are clear when played at dances, but I can hear one of the glitches quite clearly when listening to the allmusic.com clip right now.

Jesse

JesseMiner wrote:I doubt they are clear when played at dances, but I can hear one of the glitches quite clearly when listening to the allmusic.com clip right now.

It's true - at a dance it's often quite noisy and sloppy edits (old and new ) are hardly ever noticed.

Except when you know about them, of course. I guess from now on you will always think about it when you hear this song... sorry!

JesseMiner wrote:We apparently don't listen closely enough to some cuts we play often. I hear the exact same "glitches" when relistening to the version I have and play often, found on The Last Decca Years. I doubt they are clear when played at dances, but I can hear one of the glitches quite clearly when listening to the allmusic.com clip right now.

Jesse

lol. the glitch is definitely there on that clip. I think I would have heard it; I'll have to remember to listen to my original CD when I get home.

One famous edit is chopping out Freddie Green's entire solo from Benny Goodman's Live at Carnegie Hall album. Given how rarely he soloed, that was really surprising when it was discovered. They also removed a few choruses from other musicians too.

These edits were performed in (I think) the fifties when Goodman's personal copies of the concert were rediscovered in his closet and released as an LP.

My version has the "solo" intact. The "solo" is really just him chunking away as usual.

You probably have the Carnegie Hall 'complete'. The 1950 album version had been edited, and it went unnoticed for a while.


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IIRC, the jam session ran oo long to get it all on the LP without compromising the sound and/or going onto an additional disc.....and since Goodman was the selling point certain moments in the 'history of Jazz' section were cut.