If you ever get a chance, I would like to see his response to that question.Greg Avakian wrote:I've never asked him about what he feels he might have missed...
Gee, I've never heard anyone share THAT perspective before.fredo wrote:not to throw a bone into this whole conversation, but...
Is there any sense that some music was created with dance in mind, while other music was created without any parallel swing dance form linked to it?
The reason I bring this up is to question whether editing music for the sake of making it better for DJing at a swing dance is really doing anyone any favors. I realize that at swing dances today people are dancing to a mix of jazz music, some intended as dance music, some not.
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I figure, if people aren't interested in social dancing to a song in its unedited form, then perhaps its best appreciated through listening. If the song is really that kick ass, then just play it as it is and let everyone appreciate it as it was created.
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That's the key: theory vs. practice. I don't know any good DJs who are trying to find crappy music to "make" dancable.Lawrence wrote:
Really, listen to some of Someone's edits before you dismiss the practice, based entirely on theory. We're talking about FANTASTIC music for dancing that just goes on too long, not bringing more and more non-danceable, novelty tunes within the realm of danceable length.
I agree completely, but to be fair to Fredo, the thread went off-topic long before he piped in. And I am more to blame than he is because I helped the thread stray by defending the practice instead of letting some off-color, off-topic criticisms slide.Greg Avakian wrote:But then I also recognize that people like Fredo or Eyeball will not like dancing to the same music I do whether or not it was originally recorded in 3 minutes or 3 hours. Editing is not really the issue there, style is.
Which is kind of silly when you think about it: the title of the thread is "essential edits" not "should I edit?".
I know how hard it is to watch a topic you just don't agree with, but I think it takes away from the message board when people post just to pass judgment.
Just to be clear, 'thread drift' is not the issue. Unsolicited passing judgment on others' opinions -at times rudely- is.Eyeball wrote:Just b/c Greg cites some sensitive people who won't come to this forum b/c of 'thread drift'...
Typical answer from my Dad -who is a total workaholic BTW...Cyrano de Maniac wrote:If you ever get a chance, I would like to see his response to that question.Greg Avakian wrote:I've never asked him about what he feels he might have missed...
Just to be clear, 'thread drift' is not the issue. Unsolicited passing judgment on others' opinions -at times rudely- is.Greg Avakian wrote:Eyeball wrote:Just b/c Greg cites some sensitive people who won't come to this forum b/c of 'thread drift'...
Name-calling! I appreciate you providing an example of "rude passing judgment" -even though I didn't ask for one.Eyeball wrote:
You're acting like a schoolgirl, Greg.
You should read what I actually wrote. Again, you are off-topic and really, that's not demeaning, it just is (the same could be said of me right now). The 'ethics of editing' would make a great topic, but it is off-topic. Your observations/opinions have been interesting (at least to me), but they have nothing to do with the topic.Eyeball wrote:Golly - Why are you passing judgement on my opinion? Did I ask you to? No. But there you are and demeaning my contribution to the thread.
Personal -nice touch- but, alright, I do stand corrected:Eyeball wrote:"Jumpin' with Janus" Avakian Records 72908
I think if I were concerned about the length of that song, I would just fade out somewhere in the last 45 seconds, rather than worry about cutting a single phrase in the middle of the song.Greg Avakian wrote: I'll site an example of "bad' editing:
Someone edited out the bass solo of Mary Stalling's version of "Surrey with a fringe on top".
I would agree that the bass solo isn't great for dancing and that the song is kinda long (4+ min.), but the edit was so jarring (musically) that it became both obvious and a distraction. I listened to the song numerous times after hearing the edit and came to the conclusion that I could not edit it myself.