Charlie Barnet style music?
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Charlie Barnet style music?
I asked this around several forums but no one really knew.
I was looking for music in the style of Charlie Barnet? Anyone sound like him? Outstanding rhythm section, killer brass, you know.
Yeah, of course there's Ellington, but I have a lot of him already.
-Jesse
I was looking for music in the style of Charlie Barnet? Anyone sound like him? Outstanding rhythm section, killer brass, you know.
Yeah, of course there's Ellington, but I have a lot of him already.
-Jesse
Charlie Barnet was particularly an admirer of Ellington and Basie, and consequently his music reflects this. His band has been referred to as the "blackest of the white bands".
Ellington and Basie would therefore be the obvious artists to check out (I'd recommend their late 30s / early 40s recordings first). You might also enjoy Jimmie Lunceford, Chick Webb & Lucky Millinder, but there are so many other great swinging big bands of the era that it's difficult to single out just a few.
A site like http://www.allmusic.com is useful for reading up about artists & their recordings and exploring other similar music.
Ellington and Basie would therefore be the obvious artists to check out (I'd recommend their late 30s / early 40s recordings first). You might also enjoy Jimmie Lunceford, Chick Webb & Lucky Millinder, but there are so many other great swinging big bands of the era that it's difficult to single out just a few.
A site like http://www.allmusic.com is useful for reading up about artists & their recordings and exploring other similar music.
I gave you excellent answers to your question.
I named bands with "killer brass" and "outstanding rhythm sections". Did you follow up on them?
No band really sounds like another band unless they purposely attempt to....and few did back in the day....except Mickey Mouse bands. Most chose to have their own style, not copy someone elses.
And if you like Barnet, just get more Barnet...unless you have everything he recorded already.
And Ellington does not play in the style of Barnet, so going for more Ellington to hear 'Barnet style' won't get you that.
I named bands with "killer brass" and "outstanding rhythm sections". Did you follow up on them?
No band really sounds like another band unless they purposely attempt to....and few did back in the day....except Mickey Mouse bands. Most chose to have their own style, not copy someone elses.
And if you like Barnet, just get more Barnet...unless you have everything he recorded already.
And Ellington does not play in the style of Barnet, so going for more Ellington to hear 'Barnet style' won't get you that.
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Oh! I seemed to have missed your reply. Thanks!
Earl Hines Trio? Never heard them, will check them out. Have some albums for me to listen to?
Which Dorsey? Tommy Dorsey is good, but often overplayed. I have (of Tommy Dorsey) Sentimental Dorsey, 1946-1947 chronological collection, Boogie Woogie, Tea for Two
Jimmy Dorsey I have nothing of.
I love Jimmie Lunceford stuff, but I seem to have trouble finding anywhere but Amazon. All I have is some random single songs I got off Itunes that I like.
Basie has some, I have the complete decca recordings (1937-1939), the count meets duke ellington, swinging the blues, Jam, April in Paris, Count Basie in Newport, the Verve Jazz Masters one, and the Complete Atomic Basie.
Ellington I have Ellington and Coltrane, the Gold Collection, Centennial Edition, and Such Sweet Thunder
Chick Webb I don't really like what I've heard, but someone may point me to a few choice albums....
Lucky Millinder I have had no exposure to.
Charlie Barnet I have Drop Me Off in Harlem and some random collection from Jazz Masters.
So I'm really looking for stuff along the lines like what Barnet did with the Moose, Skyliner, and Cherokee, Things Ain't What They Used to Be.
Very characteristic sound.
Does anyone remember who did swingmatism?
Earl Hines Trio? Never heard them, will check them out. Have some albums for me to listen to?
Which Dorsey? Tommy Dorsey is good, but often overplayed. I have (of Tommy Dorsey) Sentimental Dorsey, 1946-1947 chronological collection, Boogie Woogie, Tea for Two
Jimmy Dorsey I have nothing of.
I love Jimmie Lunceford stuff, but I seem to have trouble finding anywhere but Amazon. All I have is some random single songs I got off Itunes that I like.
Basie has some, I have the complete decca recordings (1937-1939), the count meets duke ellington, swinging the blues, Jam, April in Paris, Count Basie in Newport, the Verve Jazz Masters one, and the Complete Atomic Basie.
Ellington I have Ellington and Coltrane, the Gold Collection, Centennial Edition, and Such Sweet Thunder
Chick Webb I don't really like what I've heard, but someone may point me to a few choice albums....
Lucky Millinder I have had no exposure to.
Charlie Barnet I have Drop Me Off in Harlem and some random collection from Jazz Masters.
So I'm really looking for stuff along the lines like what Barnet did with the Moose, Skyliner, and Cherokee, Things Ain't What They Used to Be.
Very characteristic sound.
Does anyone remember who did swingmatism?
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My boys and I have four heavy beats to the bar and no cheating!
--Count Basie
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My boys and I have four heavy beats to the bar and no cheating!
--Count Basie
www.campusfive.com
www.myspace.com/campusfive
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Earl Hines big band 1939 -1940 -intense swing, great rhythm section, super well recorded. I posted a link in the other post where ever it was.tornredcarpet wrote:Oh! I seemed to have missed your reply. Thanks!
Earl Hines Trio? Never heard them, will check them out. Have some albums for me to listen to?
Which Dorsey? Tommy Dorsey is good, but often overplayed. I have (of Tommy Dorsey) Sentimental Dorsey, 1946-1947 chronological collection, Boogie Woogie, Tea for Two
Jimmy Dorsey I have nothing of.
I love Jimmie Lunceford stuff, but I seem to have trouble finding anywhere but Amazon. All I have is some random single songs I got off Itunes that I like.
Basie has some, I have the complete decca recordings (1937-1939), the count meets duke ellington, swinging the blues, Jam, April in Paris, Count Basie in Newport, the Verve Jazz Masters one, and the Complete Atomic Basie.
Ellington I have Ellington and Coltrane, the Gold Collection, Centennial Edition, and Such Sweet Thunder
Chick Webb I don't really like what I've heard, but someone may point me to a few choice albums....
Lucky Millinder I have had no exposure to.
Charlie Barnet I have Drop Me Off in Harlem and some random collection from Jazz Masters.
So I'm really looking for stuff along the lines like what Barnet did with the Moose, Skyliner, and Cherokee, Things Ain't What They Used to Be.
Very characteristic sound.
Tommy Dorsey, natch. Over played? No way. I wish. "Sentimental"? Kind of a tip off that it won't be the hot stuff.
TD band 1940 - 1942 - prime era. Brass that will rip you a new one. Killer trumpet section - ya know....Well, Git It? TD 1942. He has lots of instrumentals, mostly Sy Oliver arrangement from that era. Rhythm section has Buddy Rich on every track.
TD 1946 - 1947 is slipping out of the era for prime swing music. 46 - still good stuff. 47 - less good. After that, it's over. Top flight band, but too slick for it's own good.
It is really hard to pinpoint someone who "sounds" like someone b/c no one wanted to sound like someone. They wanted to sound like themselves.
You will like any TD instrumental circa 1940 - 1942....good luck findingthem. There has never been a comprehensive reissue of his stuff from that era. The famous BlueBird/RCA LP reissue series stopped right in 1939...just as they were getting to the great stuff.
Re: Charlie Barnet style music?
Music like late 30s/early 40s Charlie Barnet?tornredcarpet wrote:I was looking for music in the style of Charlie Barnet? Anyone sound like him? Outstanding rhythm section, killer brass, you know.
I agree with John that some Earl Hines tracks might interest you. "Ridin' And Jivin'" for example, is a great swingin' number with some punchy brass -
http://tinyurl.co.uk/v1bv
The CDs with that track on aren't available from the popular online sites at the moment, but you can probably find some Earl Hines big band CDs if you are prepared to look around and pay a premium. (Earl Hines is generally known as a pianist, but I can't hear any piano on a lot of these tracks - perhaps he was just the 'bandleader/conductor' for these?)
I agree that Tommy Dorsey is worth checking out, and I'd also say Glenn Miller. Miller certainly has great brass sounds, even if the rhythmic drive is sometimes lacking.
There is some early Glenn Miller (before he found his 'sound') that is kick ass!
Check out the cd The Spirit is Willing
Carribean Clipper
Sliphorn Jive
Slow Freight
Here We Go Again
Rug Cutter's Swing
Sun Valley Jump
I regularly dj all of these tracks.
Check out the cd The Spirit is Willing
Carribean Clipper
Sliphorn Jive
Slow Freight
Here We Go Again
Rug Cutter's Swing
Sun Valley Jump
I regularly dj all of these tracks.
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Don't forget about Glen Island Special!
What's funny is that "Caribbean Clipper" was arranged by Jerry Gray, and "GIS" was arranged by Eddie Durham, who worked for Shaw and Basie, respectively. No wonder those tracks are so good. Also, some of Miller's AAF band musicians were basically cherry picked from other bands, such as Ray McKinley. Some of those airchecks are pretty rockin' - there's a great version of "CC" with McKinley on drums really kickin' ass.
While I'd be the first to take pot shots at the Glenn Miller, there were times when that band could play. Not every version of that band sucked, just most of the sappy arrangments.
What's funny is that "Caribbean Clipper" was arranged by Jerry Gray, and "GIS" was arranged by Eddie Durham, who worked for Shaw and Basie, respectively. No wonder those tracks are so good. Also, some of Miller's AAF band musicians were basically cherry picked from other bands, such as Ray McKinley. Some of those airchecks are pretty rockin' - there's a great version of "CC" with McKinley on drums really kickin' ass.
While I'd be the first to take pot shots at the Glenn Miller, there were times when that band could play. Not every version of that band sucked, just most of the sappy arrangments.
"I don''t dig that two beat jive the New Orleans cats play.
My boys and I have four heavy beats to the bar and no cheating!
--Count Basie
www.campusfive.com
www.myspace.com/campusfive
www.swingguitar.blogspot.com
My boys and I have four heavy beats to the bar and no cheating!
--Count Basie
www.campusfive.com
www.myspace.com/campusfive
www.swingguitar.blogspot.com
In reality, those were all recorded *after* he had found his sound. His 'sound' was in place by 1938.zzzzoom wrote:There is some early Glenn Miller (before he found his 'sound') that is kick ass!
Check out the cd The Spirit is Willing
Carribean Clipper 1942
Sliphorn Jive 1939
Slow Freight 1940
Here We Go Again 1942
Rug Cutter's Swing 1940
Sun Valley Jump 1941
I regularly dj all of these tracks.
*I added the recording dates up there.
Miller used more than one style in his band, and even the famous clarinet lead style was modified as the months and few years went out.
Jerry Gray did a big portion of the Miller book, along with Bill Finegan, Miller himself, Billy May and George Williams.Campus Five wrote:Don't forget about Glen Island Special!
What's funny is that "Caribbean Clipper" was arranged by Jerry Gray, and "GIS" was arranged by Eddie Durham, who worked for Shaw and Basie, respectively. No wonder those tracks are so good. Also, some of Miller's AAF band musicians were basically cherry picked from other bands, such as Ray McKinley. Some of those airchecks are pretty rockin' - there's a great version of "CC" with McKinley on drums really kickin' ass.
While I'd be the first to take pot shots at the Glenn Miller, there were times when that band could play. Not every version of that band sucked, just most of the sappy arrangments.
Miller also has a couple other Durham charts, along with a few by Benny Carter.
Two of his favorite bands were Basie and Lunceford.
Jonatahn - it is totally unfair and misleading for you to say that 'most of the sappy arrangements sucked'. The arrangements were first rate as were many of the songs. You simply don't seem to like or appreciate pretty and oftimes beautiful ballads.
Your loss.
Maybe you'll grow into them someday.