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Till Tom Special

Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 10:08 pm
by Ron
I've always liked the song "Till Tom Special" written by Goodman/Hampton. I first heard it played by this small group who played on Monday nights at this tiny bar in Chicago 6 yrs ago. Back then I was annoyed because I thought it was too fast and it had such an annoyingly abrupt ending. But the melody still compelled my attention and it has since really grown on me over the years. Something about that minor key riff at the beginning, and the middle/ending riff. The whole chord progression just kicks butt and gives so much for the soloists to work with. Anyone know the chord progression on guitar? This is one of the songs that I like to listen to much more than I like to Lindy to, but I'm sure others have differing opinions.

So what are your favorite versions of this song, and do you think its good for dancing?

My favorite versions so far are:
1. Dave Davies and Hotfoot Club (176) from 3 x 5 - Tight, nice clarinet solos and its all in sweet hi-fi. Definitely more "pop" sounding.
2. Lionel Hampton (158) from Tempo & Swing - Doesn't start with the guitar/clarinet in unison like the others, but its still good. Hamps vibraphone solo is sweet, as is Ziggy Elman's solos on the muted trumpet.
3. Benny Goodman & Charlie Christian (173) from Genius of the Electric Guitar - I suppose this is the original? Small group. Goodman & Christian are just plain sweet. Great piano, too.

Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 12:07 am
by SpuzBal
The Hot Club of San Francisco has a good version on their CD "Claire de Lune."

Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 1:10 am
by CafeSavoy
i like the dave davies version too. peter davies has a nice version too. of the benny goodmans, i like the charlie christian versions. The Hampton is like a standard.

i haven't heard this, but I saw John Bunch in NYC, so i'd like to get it.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... 8zefbkogfn

Posted: Tue May 06, 2003 8:11 am
by main_stem
I only play the Charlie Christian version.

Interesting note their is dispute over who actually wrote the song. While it credits Goodman/Hampton, it's believed that Christian is the true author. Mary Lou Williams said that when she first heard Christian he was jamming a bunch of stuff that later become records under Goodman/Hampton. Another of these tunes is Flying Home. Goodman later on even says that he doubted he had any part in writing any of the tunes. His name was just added since it was his group. (Common Practice in those days)

-Kevin

Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 12:59 am
by SirScratchAlot
main_stem wrote:I only play the Charlie Christian version.

Interesting note their is dispute over who actually wrote the song. While it credits Goodman/Hampton, it's believed that Christian is the true author. Mary Lou Williams said that when she first heard Christian he was jamming a bunch of stuff that later become records under Goodman/Hampton. Another of these tunes is Flying Home. Goodman later on even says that he doubted he had any part in writing any of the tunes. His name was just added since it was his group. (Common Practice in those days)

-Kevin
Thats what I've read as well....Christian did alot of that stuff, Till Tom special sounds like a Christian song to me personally, but him and Hamp and a very simular ear...

Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 8:55 am
by Roy
I agree the Charlie Christian version is my favorite.

Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 3:21 am
by SirScratchAlot
I put the origin of the song title under the new thread, song titles...

Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 12:15 am
by Drew
Goodman and Christian do the best, without a doubt.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 10:14 am
by Ron
I'm surprised more people didn't applaud the Dave Davies/Hotfood Club version of Till Tom.

Is it because you genuinely think the musicality isn't as good?

Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 11:25 am
by Swifty
I'm always suprised that people outside of the Northeast have even heard of Dave Davies.

For what it's worth, I really like their version.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:35 am
by Greg Avakian
I like Dave Davies version, but I think Peter Davis is my favorite. I have Christian/Goodman "cartoon" version and I play that one a lot. I think the song is a little overplayed which is one reason I don't like to play the "serious" Christian/Goodman version.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 12:33 pm
by Mr Awesomer
I don't believe I've heard "Till Tom Special," or anything sounding remotely like it in any cartoon I've seen.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:06 pm
by Greg Avakian
GuruReuben wrote:I don't believe I've heard "Till Tom Special," or anything sounding remotely like it in any cartoon I've seen.
Go ahead and nail me ...I was thinking of "All the cats join in" :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:21 pm
by Mr Awesomer
I'm thinking of the many Warner Brothers, Tom and Jerry, Tex Avery, Disney shorts, etc etc type cartoon music. "All the Cats" is a note able exception, as are maybe a couple of other toons... but it's hardly what you'd typically hear backing up a cartoon of that day.

Raymond Scott... now there's some cartoon music. Benny Goodman... one in a thousand?

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:26 pm
by Greg Avakian
GuruReuben wrote: Raymond Scott... now there's some cartoon music.
He was interveiwed on NPR last year, or maybe two years ago ...very cool guy. There's a CD of his music put out around then too.