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#136 Post by Lawrence » Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:36 pm

Roy wrote:Another point, a few years back many dj's were trying to emulate Paul Overton, I think many DJ's still do and just don't know it. Look at his 25 reccomended CD list. It came out well before Jessie ever got popular many of those CD's are still staples in many new DJ's 1st 100 purchased CD's.
Yes. One thing that rarely gets noted in these Jesse-bashing/defending threads is that Jesse was a huge Neo Swing fan until he moved to San Fran and started DJing at the 9:20 for... Paul Overton. Jesse's style changed dramatically thereafter.

Paul probably did more to allow Lindy Hop to evolve beyond Swing Era music than any other single DJ. He "re-discovered" New Testament Basie (brought it to the Lindy world), which replaced the Benny Goodman and Les Brown that most DJs were playing (when they weren't playing Royal Crown Revue and Brian Setzer, that is). I also remember when Ben from Seattle (Julie Hamburg's husband) came to Chicago a year or two later (1998ish) and played this "new sound" of Oscar-Petersonesque, small-band jazz combo music that Overton was playing in San Fran (the "roots" of playing Groove swing in the Lindy world). I agreed with my fellow Chicagoeans back then that it wouldn't go anywhere because it wasn't "suited" to "real" Lindy Hop.

But I tried it, adapted to it, and played it more and more. Within a year, this heretofore "unauthentic" swing music became my favorite Lindy Hop music. Which, again, gets back to the original point: close your tastes about "the stuff you don't like" and you and the dancers you serve might just become redundant. Open them a bit, and you might surprise even yourself.
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#137 Post by falty411 » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:12 pm

Lawrence wrote:Yes. One thing that rarely gets noted in these Jesse-bashing/defending threads is that Jesse was a huge Neo Swing fan until he moved to San Fran and started DJing at the 9:20 for... Paul Overton. Jesse's style changed dramatically thereafter.
i lived in the same city as Jesse before he moved, and jesses style of music changed well before he moved to san fran
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#138 Post by JesseMiner » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:36 pm

I've been quite busy getting ready for my trip to Hawaii on Monday, so I haven't had a chance to chime in again on this thread, but I will do so when I get the chance.
Lawrence wrote:Jesse was a huge Neo Swing fan until he moved to San Fran and started DJing at the 9:20 for... Paul Overton. Jesse's style changed dramatically thereafter.
Let me just clarify something:

Yes, I used to heavily DJ neo swing when the demand was there, but my tastes, as well as those of the dancers I was DJing for, had changed long before I moved to San Francisco or had ever met Paul Overton. I honed a lot of my skills at Late Night Swing in Minneapolis for months before moving west. Check out my introduction on the old SwingDJs list. You can see I was definitely somewhere in the transition between neo swing and whatever is now affectionately referred to as "groove".

Of course I can't deny that San Francisco in general has had a great and profound impact on my DJing and that both Paul Overton and Marc D'Olimpio have been important mentors for me. :)

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#139 Post by djstarr » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:52 pm

Nate Dogg wrote:I would much rather spend my time listening to everybody else and getting as many good songs as I can, then devote a lot of energy trying to horde a bunch of obscure songs.
Since I've been DJ'ing my experience at dances is much different - I listen to the music much more closely, for a variety of reasons. And when I rip a song off someone I proudly let folks know who I got it from - for example, one of my favorite songs right now is "Sent for you Yesterday" from Count Basie/Mills Bros. - Rayned played it at HJDF and I tracked down a copy....anytime anyone asks me about it I tell them "I stole this from Rayned" ;-) I figure he doesn't come out to the west coast that often so I can get away with it.

And last night Kevin T. played an awesome Maxine Sullivan song that makes me want to go out and get some of her stuff; of course since we DJ in the same city that makes it a little more problematic .... the fine line between homage, good ideas, and being a copy-cat. Just as in written material, if you reference the source, you can't be accused of plagiarism.
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#140 Post by falty411 » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:32 pm

djstarr wrote:.anytime anyone asks me about it I tell them "I stole this from Rayned" ;-)
Thats awesome!

There needs to be a lot more "props" given in this scene, not just DJs but alos dancers and instructors. Thats a whole other subject though.
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#141 Post by CafeSavoy » Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:24 pm

djstarr wrote: And last night Kevin T. played an awesome Maxine Sullivan song that makes me want to go out and get some of her stuff;
What song? I've been trying to get some of her latter stuff too.

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#142 Post by kitkat » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:23 pm

falty411 wrote:There needs to be a lot more "props" given in this scene, not just DJs but alos dancers and instructors. Thats a whole other subject though.
It is, so I hope I don't hijack by replying, but I thought it was neat that you taught me some Charlestoney/jazz thing (which I've long since forgotten) as Dreyer ____s. I liked that new people can get stuff named after them the same as, say, Shorty George.

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#143 Post by djstarr » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:10 am

JesseMiner wrote:I've been quite busy getting ready for my trip to Hawaii on Monday, so I haven't had a chance to chime in again on this thread, but I will do so when I get the chance.
off-topic (in case anyone is keeping track), but can I tell you guys how excited I'm starting to get about going to Hawaii! I leave next Wednesday, it's been a hard winter here in Seattle already (and it's not even officially winter). Aloha!

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#144 Post by djstarr » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:14 am

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djstarr wrote: And last night Kevin T. played an awesome Maxine Sullivan song that makes me want to go out and get some of her stuff;
What song? I've been trying to get some of her latter stuff too.
I was too busy dancing to figure out what the title was - I just asked him who it was by at the end of the song; he hasn't posted his set list yet. Calling main_stem...................

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#145 Post by djstarr » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:19 am

falty411 wrote:
djstarr wrote:.anytime anyone asks me about it I tell them "I stole this from Rayned" ;-)
Thats awesome!

There needs to be a lot more "props" given in this scene, not just DJs but alos dancers and instructors. Thats a whole other subject though.
thanks sweetie -- looking forward to seeing you guys out here in February; the buzz is already started to build for the next Jitterbug Weekend.

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#146 Post by mousethief » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:35 am

Yeah, I can track whole pages of my collection back to recommendations from Jesse and Rayned. I can track a hangover to Rayned too.

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#147 Post by main_stem » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:22 am

CafeSavoy wrote:
djstarr wrote: And last night Kevin T. played an awesome Maxine Sullivan song that makes me want to go out and get some of her stuff;
What song? I've been trying to get some of her latter stuff too.
Crazy About My Baby anf Loch Lomond. Both from her final concert in Tokyo 1984. I should also mention that this was a gift from Kevin S, who knew I'd like it.

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#148 Post by gatorgal » Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:00 am

falty411 wrote: The point was if we all "expand our tastes" I dont think that would be for the best. I like that there are people who are very into one particular genre, weather it be trad jazz, swing, smooth, soul, modern etc and even if i dont like the music at all.
I dig that too. When I first started DJing I tried to spread myself a little thin exploring genres that I particularly didn't like in the name of expanding my horizons and becoming a better DJ. I've since changed my line of thought. Why buy and play music that I don't particularly like? I don't have that much money... :)... so I might as well go broke (or go for broke) purchasing and acquiring music that suites my tastes.

I'm aware that puts me in a comfort zone that might me predictable as a DJ. I'm willing to make that sacrifice now, because I'm just starting into the learning curve. But if I want to break out of the mold I know there are forums like this available where I can meet people who dig different styles of music and can point me in the right direction.
falty411 wrote:There needs to be a lot more "props" given in this scene, not just DJs but alos dancers and instructors. Thats a whole other subject though.
Hmm... that's a little hard for me since I haven't met that many DJs on this board. But I would have to say thanks to...
  • Jesse... for his inspiration and kindness. And actually convincing me that I could DJ... and like it! :)
    Greg, Manu, and Roy... for letting me bug you at SoFlex 2003... that really gave me confidence.
    Lawrence, Dave, Mike F., and Reuben... your posts always make me think and that's always a good thing. I'm in awe of your knowledge. Still hoping to meet Mike F. and Reuben in the near future. (And hey, can't we all get along!) :)
    Kristina... thanks for the girl power! :D
    Nathan... again, your overwhelming kindness and generosity is amazing.
    Sergio... for pushing me to me better.
And for the rest I haven't met... just know now that if I meet you, I'm gonna try to steal from you! :)

Tina 8)

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#149 Post by falty411 » Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:54 pm

gatorgal wrote:Still hoping to meet Mike F. and Reuben in the near future. (And hey, can't we all get along!)
Danvers?
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#150 Post by gatorgal » Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:53 pm

falty411 wrote:
gatorgal wrote:Still hoping to meet Mike F. and Reuben in the near future. (And hey, can't we all get along!)
Danvers?
Prolly not... just got back from a trip to Austin and there's no fundage to speak of. But I'm sure we'll cross paths sometime.

I came close to meeting you when you were in Tally (or Tallahassee for the non Florida residents) for a workshop. Sucks to be broke.

Tina 8)

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