Bop is not swinging music??

[Doug]

OK. I gotta say something. I TOTALLY disagree with Kalman's belief that bop is not swinging music!!! It may not be "Swing", but it damn well swings. I am both surprised and disappointed that the "things that go bop in the night" thread was moved. Does this mean that Joe "Bebop" Carroll http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... h9kext7q7v Eddie Jefferson, King Pleasure and a lot of the "groove vocalists" are not to be discussed under swinging music?? Clark Terry who worked closely with Dizzy is not swinging music? I mean give me a break!! Coltrane does not swing. Miles Davis quit swinging. But are you telling me that "Jumping with Symphony Sid" - a Lester Young piece played a LOT by Dizzy - is not swinging music?? Arrrg.

Do what Ruben suggested. Go look around on All Music and see just who is considered bebop and what music is considered bebop before you decide that bebop is not swinging music.

rant rant rant

[julius]

I think it was clarified earlier in another thread that "other music" is the place for discussion of music that is not for dancing ... which applies to a lot of bop.

not all, but a lot.

[mousethief]

rant rant rant

Jesus. Go back and read my actual posts and then reply.

Don't start a new thread to underscore what you already have determined as fact and then use it to attack my posts you can't be bothered to find and quote. You don't know what's in my collection or what I normally DJ.

So whether or not you agree with the "Kalman position" that you've created in your head means about crap to me.

And instead of going to Allmusic, you could just pick up a book.

*waiting for moderator*

Kalman

[mousethief]

*bored*

Show of hands - how many people have heard Kalman DJ one or more bop/bop swing pieces in an evening?

*still waiting for a moderator*

Kalman

[Doug]

OK. So maybe I owe you (Kalman) an apology or perhaps I am at least confused. I thought that "Swinging Music" was for swinging music that one plays for swing dancers and "Other Music" was for, well, other music. The suggestion that the thread dealing with bop be moved, especially when the interest appeared to me to be to find swinging, danceable bop, was puzzling and appeared to saying that the bop discussion didn't fit in the Swinging Music section despite the fact that sonofvu's interest appeard to be indeed in danceable music.


So my position is - whatever. IDRGAS.

[JesseMiner]

The suggestion that the thread dealing with bop be moved, especially when the interest appeared to me to be to find swinging, danceable bop, was puzzling and appeared to saying that the bop discussion didn't fit in the Swinging Music section despite the fact that sonofvu's interest appeard to be indeed in danceable music.

The thread that I moved was about someone asking for Bop suggestions, and the thread did not seem to have any relevance to dancing. It has nothing to do with whether or not bop is "danceable". I have absolutely no problem with discussing bop music we play for swing dancers here in the "Swinging Music" forum, but that thread did not appear to be focused on that.

I thought that "Swinging Music" was for swinging music that one plays for swing dancers and "Other Music" was for, well, other music.

Yes, plenty of bop music gets played at dances, and you're more than welcome to discuss it here in "Swinging Music", but those are going to be specific cases. Not every topic related to bop belongs here be default.

Let me also remind you all that there are already two threads in "Swinging Music" specifically talking about swinging to bop music: Dancing To Bebop and Bop v. Swing. Feel free to post in those.

Jesse Miner
SwingDJs Moderator

[sonofvu]

Good point. I did not think about that. I guess I subconsciously did not want to enter into a "bop does not swing" argument which then devolves into "what is swing".

With that in mind, I do believe some of it swings. But I do not believe that the original intent of bop was to make dance music.

I've been listening to Lester Young recently. I like that song "Jumping with Symphony Sid" I like the way it flows and has that light swing beat to it. I haven't heard Dizzy's version yet because like I said in the other thread I'm afraid of him. But I'll get there. There have been some good sugestions made in that thread and I'm sure there are songs in there that swing hard. With time I'll feel more comfortable with bop and I might even play a tune or two. Kalman, if they kick me out of Austin can I come up to Dallas and spin some?

[mousethief]

Only if you agree to the Kalman Manifesto for Swing Dancing, which holds that you must deride all bebop and post-war music as undanceable, even though you must own and DJ it almost every night.

Oh, and you have to wear a diaper on Dingus Day.

Kalman

[Doug]

But I prefer the Relativism Theory of Swing Dancing - where it all dependz. At least that way my diaper will fit my dingus.

[sonofvu]

OK, I'll agree to those terms even though I do not know what a Dingus is.