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[Answered] Ochi Chornya (Dark Eyes), Wingy Manone (1941)
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:57 pm
by Eyeball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZS6_FcD ... re=related
Dos anyone know which Wingy side this is? It's not the '38 recording, as far as I can tell.
Thx!
Re: Wingy Manone - Ochichornya - which version?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:08 am
by anton
Yes, it's his original recording (from 1941, not 1938).
He later also recorded it with Sidney Bechet and Papa Bue.
Re: Wingy Manone - Ochichornya - which version?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:38 am
by Eyeball
anton wrote:Yes, it's his original recording (from 1941, not 1938).
He later also recorded it with Sidney Bechet and Papa Bue.
Thx! Google source had one and said it was from 1938.
Who is Papa Bue?
Wingy Manone is under-rated. That is a solid trumpet on that recording.
Re: Wingy Manone - Ochichornya - which version?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:38 am
by anton
Eyeball wrote:Who is Papa Bue?
Papa Bue is a Danish trad-jazz dude, still very active is his eighties.
Scott Yanow wrote:
Leader of the Viking Jazz Band beginning in 1956, Papa Bue Jensen is an excellent Dixieland trombonist who has been active for decades in Denmark. He had recorded with Chris Barber before forming his group (which, during 1956-1958, was known simply as the New Orleans Jazz Band). Through the years, the band has recorded (sometimes for Storyville or Timeless) with such American guests as George Lewis, Wingy Manone, Wild Bill Davison, Edmond Hall, Champion Jack Dupree, Albert Nicholas, and Art Hodes.
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:49 pm
by Gong-Oh
So Wingy Manone recorded two early versions of Ochichornya, one in 1938 and one in 1941? Or it is just only one version that was recorded in 1938 and then published in 1941?
I looked them up on YouTube and from a quick listen of the first 50 seconds, both the 1938 and the 1941 version posted there sound the same to me.
Lorenzo
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:00 am
by lipi
Neither Rust nor Bruyninckx list a 1938 recording. There's a 1941 one (the one discussed here) and a 1947 one (live, at Town Hall, from a concert Wingy split with Sydney Bechet).
I don't think there's a 1938 one--the source John found is probably just wrong.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:09 am
by Eyeball
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:11 pm
by Gong-Oh
Maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds exactly like the 1941 version to me. Maybe it's just a mislabeled track.
Lorenzo
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:57 pm
by Eyeball
And the sound quality on the YouTube version is way better than the other version.
This is a new recording for me, so I can't speak to other subtler variations.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:07 pm
by lipi
Eyeball wrote:On the YouTube version, Wingy sings "California" instead of "Ohchichornya" at one point. On the other version on line, he does not sing that variation.
And the sound quality on the YouTube version is way better than the other version.
This is a new recording for me, so I can't speak to other subtler variations.
Both on the youtube and archive.org recordings I hear him sing "california". I'm pretty sure they're both the 1941 recording.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:10 pm
by Eyeball
lipi wrote:
Both on the youtube and archive.org recordings I hear him sing "california". I'm pretty sure they're both the 1941 recording.
Dang! A truck must have gone by when I re-listened. Sorry.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:27 pm
by Eyeball
"Dates, if given are a guess." - from the online web site.
Man, I guess I was not listening closely enough to either source.
Good side, though. Sorry for my confusion. ;(
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:01 pm
by lipi
I was kinda hoping you were going to turn out and be right about this, because I love this recording. Another version would have been nice. Ah well.
Incidentally, the Hot Club of San Francisco's version of Dark Eyes uses the silly Wingy Manone lyrics. They used to do it live quite often and it's on their album Claire de Lune. I haven't heard them play it recently, though.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:08 pm
by Eyeball
lipi wrote:I was kinda hoping you were going to turn out and be right about this, because I love this recording. Another version would have been nice. Ah well.
Have you ever heard the long long long version by Raymond Paige in the film, HOLLYWOOD HOTEL? I think he uses every instrument ever invented. I never saw a band with three xylophones before...or since.
Re: Wingy Manone - Ochichornya - which version?
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:40 pm
by lipi
I ran across this old thread while looking for something else. And then I had to go looking for the Raymond Paige video. By now it's on YouTube, of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxQSZbD0cjA
"Dark Eyes" starts around 4:00. The three xylophones are clearly visible at 5:06.
Don't expect a lindy-friendly sound, though. :)