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#16 Post by Lawrence » Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:55 pm

Nate Dogg wrote:It is sad that most people have no knowledge of song composers and the original versions. Sometimes, it seems like every hit rap song is mostly sampled from other songs. That being said, it is a bit rough to use words like "stole" and "theft" when they are legitimately licensed. Coolio covered the Stevie Wonder song with significant changes. That is how I see it.

If you go back to the swing era, many songs were covers. So, I think appreciation of the original artist/composer has been an issue for a long time. It just has evolved to what we have today (the quickest way to make a hip hop hit is to rework a previous hit).
"It is fortunate for literary men that people no longer read anything written long ago, for if they did they would come to the conclusion that * * * the making of new books is certainly vanity." -Bertrand Russell, The Conquest of Happiness (1930)

I do get a tinge of self-righteousness with all these kiddie bands nowadays re-making the anthems of my youth. However, that said, most of the re-makes and re-samples do significantly re-work the song enough to make it a new song. Rock anthems aside, Hammer's "Can't Touch This" (Rick James' Superfreak) and Will Smith's "Wild Wild West" (Stevie Wonder's Sir Duke) have an updated feeling to them, even though they are blatantly the same song in writing. Why does there need to be only ONE version of a great song?!?

Looking at the jazz tradition of everyone playing the same standards only amplifies this point: it's not just the writing that makes the song, but the PERFORMANCE. Duke's "In a Mellow Tone" is different from Basie's Mellow Tone, which is significantly different from Louis Armstrong's Mellow Tone, which is different from Ray Bryant's Mellow Tone.

... Or the classical tradition of playing Beethovan. I mean, how LAME can you get?!?! What? You don't have enough talent to write something NEW that surpasses the greatest classical composer who ever lived?!?! :o You loser!! :roll: :wink:
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#17 Post by Lawrence » Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:57 pm

Nathan wrote:Coolio himself is sort of a joke, he got upset when Weird Al reworked Gangsta Paradise, I think he forgot that his biggest hit was written by Stevie Wonder, not himself.
I suspect that has something to do with the fact that it was Weird Al and not another musician/rapper like himself.
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#18 Post by Yakov » Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:25 pm

courtney pine is awesome.
just wanted to note that here so i wouldn't lose her name.
she was just on boombastic.

...and now they're playing Blackalicious!!! NICCCCCEEEE

also the goats
also mc solaar "im doing fine" (french rap dig)
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#19 Post by LazyP » Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:48 am

Yakov wrote:courtney pine is awesome.
just wanted to note that here so i wouldn't lose her name.
she was just on boombastic.
Courtney Pine is a he! Just thought you should know.
And yes, he's awesome. Check out his albums Underground (amazing innovative stuff) and Another story (drun'n'bass artists remixing Courtney's tracks)

http://www.courtneypine.co.uk/[/b]
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#20 Post by Nate Dogg » Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:29 pm

Back to internet radio stations.

SXSW (www.sxsw.com) was piping this station at one of the venues last week. Sounds like something some of you KEXP fans might like. Not really a source for jazz or swing.

An eclectic mix of rock for the most part, they do mix in the occasional swing song every few hours. You can check a recent playlist online if you are curious.

http://www.radioparadise.com/

http://www.radioparadise.com/modules.php?name=Playlist

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